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= Webcam video (via chat apps like Zoom) =
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= Webcam video -- no hardware (via chat apps like Zoom) =
  
 
* advantage: affordable
 
* advantage: affordable
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* [https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/115003279466-Enabling-option-to-preserve-original-sound?mobile_site=true&fbclid=IwAR0q9ToL8fUMz9bbHGLR99z24rQf0Th1JlshfiPSVy9dqms3rZnEQyU41Fs#h_c4e87413-5aba-4046-83e0-0d0cc93b9f27 Enabling option to preserve original sound]
 
* [https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/115003279466-Enabling-option-to-preserve-original-sound?mobile_site=true&fbclid=IwAR0q9ToL8fUMz9bbHGLR99z24rQf0Th1JlshfiPSVy9dqms3rZnEQyU41Fs#h_c4e87413-5aba-4046-83e0-0d0cc93b9f27 Enabling option to preserve original sound]
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* choose your source for both "Select a speaker" and "Select a microphone"
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* all Zoom plans are 720p <ref>https://zoom.us/pricing</ref>
  
 
== stream direct from Avid Media Composer using NDI ==
 
== stream direct from Avid Media Composer using NDI ==
  
 
* see: https://avid.secure.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/How_To/stream-MC-video-NDI
 
* see: https://avid.secure.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/How_To/stream-MC-video-NDI
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** and: http://causeandfx-tech.blogspot.com/2018/09/avid-media-composer-20187-ip-streaming.html
 
* within Avid version 2018.7 and higher you can send video to stream (button on timeline)
 
* within Avid version 2018.7 and higher you can send video to stream (button on timeline)
 
* need [https://ndi.tv/tools/#download-tools NDI software] (free)  
 
* need [https://ndi.tv/tools/#download-tools NDI software] (free)  
 
* can stream via Zoom or Skype and other NDI compatible chat  
 
* can stream via Zoom or Skype and other NDI compatible chat  
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* "OpenIO NDI is incompatible with Nitris DX and Mojo DX hardware, so those need to be turned off and the system rebooted. Media Composer must then be run in software mode." <ref>https://www.newtek.com/blog/tips/newtek-ndi-in-avid-media-composer/</ref>
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* "Open IO NDI is not available if you have Nitris DX or Mojo DX video hardware. You have to disable that hardware in order to access Open IO NDI" <ref>http://resources.avid.com/SupportFiles/attach/WhatsNew_MediaComposer_v18.7.pdf</ref>
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** "and the system rebooted. Media Composer must then be run in software mode." <ref>https://www.newtek.com/blog/tips/newtek-ndi-in-avid-media-composer/</ref>
 
** "With the Nitris DX being EOL, I doubt the drivers have been updated to recognize the Open NDI option. The DX has a specific driver, unlike all other modern Open I/O's." <ref>https://community.avid.com/forums/p/199493/894361.aspx#894361</ref>
 
** "With the Nitris DX being EOL, I doubt the drivers have been updated to recognize the Open NDI option. The DX has a specific driver, unlike all other modern Open I/O's." <ref>https://community.avid.com/forums/p/199493/894361.aspx#894361</ref>
  
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* some report lag using this method <ref>https://www.facebook.com/groups/mediacomposer/?post_id=10159383787994460&comment_id=10159383980714460&reply_comment_id=10159383990429460</ref>
 
* some report lag using this method <ref>https://www.facebook.com/groups/mediacomposer/?post_id=10159383787994460&comment_id=10159383980714460&reply_comment_id=10159383990429460</ref>
 
* others not: "Screen Sharing a video source in Zoom creates a lag of about 500ms. I think that is quite reasonable." <ref>https://www.facebook.com/groups/mediacomposer/?post_id=10159383787994460&comment_id=10159383980714460&reply_comment_id=10159384042429460</ref>
 
* others not: "Screen Sharing a video source in Zoom creates a lag of about 500ms. I think that is quite reasonable." <ref>https://www.facebook.com/groups/mediacomposer/?post_id=10159383787994460&comment_id=10159383980714460&reply_comment_id=10159384042429460</ref>
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= Webcam video -- using existing Avid hardware =
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== Avid DNxIP [https://annexpro.com/product/avid-artist-dnxip $4499 CAD] ==
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* "send/stream content to any destination—anywhere" <ref>https://www.avid.com/products/avid-artist-io/features</ref>
  
 
== Avid DNxID [https://shop.avid.com/ccrz__ProductDetails?viewState=DetailView&cartID=&sku=AR-EP-DNID-00&cclcl=en_CA $999 US] (used for Avid Media Composer) ==
 
== Avid DNxID [https://shop.avid.com/ccrz__ProductDetails?viewState=DetailView&cartID=&sku=AR-EP-DNID-00&cclcl=en_CA $999 US] (used for Avid Media Composer) ==
  
 
* "use the output from the DNxID and run it in the input from the DNxID, then you will see the picture in Zoom" <ref>https://www.facebook.com/groups/mediacomposer/?post_id=10159383787994460&comment_id=10159383980714460&reply_comment_id=10159386515639460</ref>
 
* "use the output from the DNxID and run it in the input from the DNxID, then you will see the picture in Zoom" <ref>https://www.facebook.com/groups/mediacomposer/?post_id=10159383787994460&comment_id=10159383980714460&reply_comment_id=10159386515639460</ref>
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* [http://resources.avid.com/SupportFiles/attach/Artist_DNx_ID_UG.pdf Avid Artist DNxID User's Guide]
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= Webcam video -- using additional non-Avid hardware =
  
 
== BlackMagic Web Presenter [https://amzn.to/2BHnLdd $600 US] ==
 
== BlackMagic Web Presenter [https://amzn.to/2BHnLdd $600 US] ==
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* see: https://sofimarshall.com/real-time-remote-editing/
 
* see: https://sofimarshall.com/real-time-remote-editing/
 
* Blackmagic Web Presenter is fed video (and audio) from Avid via HDMI or SDI and sends back a web-cam compatible signal via USB that can be shared on Zoom chat
 
* Blackmagic Web Presenter is fed video (and audio) from Avid via HDMI or SDI and sends back a web-cam compatible signal via USB that can be shared on Zoom chat
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* audio from chat microphone and audio from Avid are combined using $99 Loopback software (sounds similar to SoundFlower)
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* audio from chat microphone and audio from Avid are combined using $99 [https://rogueamoeba.com/loopback/ Loopback software] (sounds similar to SoundFlower)  
  
 
== Blackmagic ATEM Mini [https://www.avshop.ca/video/switchers/blackmagic-design-atem-mini-hdmi-switcher-streamer $435 CAD] ==
 
== Blackmagic ATEM Mini [https://www.avshop.ca/video/switchers/blackmagic-design-atem-mini-hdmi-switcher-streamer $435 CAD] ==
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* because there is no loop-through, an HDMI splitter would be needed if you needed to send HDMI to your monitor
 
* because there is no loop-through, an HDMI splitter would be needed if you needed to send HDMI to your monitor
  
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= [https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201504265-Wired-HDMI-Screen-Share-via-Capture-Device HDMI Share via Zoom Rooms] $49 US/month + hardware =
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== [https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201504265-Wired-HDMI-Screen-Share-via-Capture-Device HDMI Share via Zoom Rooms] $49 US/month + hardware ==
  
 
* Zoom will detect HDMI source from these HDMI devices:
 
* Zoom will detect HDMI source from these HDMI devices:
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* configured via IP web interface
 
* configured via IP web interface
  
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== EPS Streaming Server (price unknown) ==
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== EPS Cinestream Server (price unknown) ==
  
 
* see: https://www.epscineworks.com/editorial
 
* see: https://www.epscineworks.com/editorial
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* SDI video from Avid sent to capture card on 2010 Mac Pro running Windows 7 Pro and Adobe Flash Media Live Encoder 3.2 streaming to EPS server that host to EPS password protected web page.
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* SDI video from Avid sent to capture card on 2010 Mac Pro running Windows 7 Pro and OBS Studio software (was Adobe Flash Media Live Encoder 3.2) streaming to EPS server that hosts to EPS password protected web page.
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== OBS.Ninja (free) ==
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* using "a third-party virtual audio cable" it would be possible to send video and audio from a Blackmagic capture card to OBS.Ninja and stream directly to the client via web browser [https://www.reddit.com/r/OBSNinja/comments/qd0lmw/no_audio_source_from_blackmagic_capture_appearing/hhk0ll5/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3]
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= Desktop Stream =
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== Pac Post Live ==
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* https://pacpost.live/
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* uses OBS app and Millicast streaming servers to stream Avid desktop to client
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** usually Avid Fullscreen window is streamed
  
 
= References =
 
= References =

Latest revision as of 15:50, 27 October 2021

Webcam video -- no hardware (via chat apps like Zoom)[edit]

  • advantage: affordable
  • disadvantage: 30 fps chat apps not optimized for 23.98 fps video

Zoom settings[edit]

stream direct from Avid Media Composer using NDI[edit]

screen share via Zoom (no hardware)[edit]

  • some report lag using this method [5]
  • others not: "Screen Sharing a video source in Zoom creates a lag of about 500ms. I think that is quite reasonable." [6]

Webcam video -- using existing Avid hardware[edit]

Avid DNxIP $4499 CAD[edit]

  • "send/stream content to any destination—anywhere" [7]

Avid DNxID $999 US (used for Avid Media Composer)[edit]

Webcam video -- using additional non-Avid hardware[edit]

BlackMagic Web Presenter $600 US[edit]

Blackmagic ATEM Mini $435 CAD[edit]

AVerMedia Live Gamer Portable 2 (GC510) $209 US[edit]

  • AVerMedia Live Gamer Portable 2 is fed video (720p/23.976 works, 1080p/23.976 does not) via HDMI from Avid sends back a web-cam compatible signal via USB that can be transmitted via Zoom or FaceTime or Skype
  • HDMI loops through the device back to client monitor
  • device has microphone input; audio from Avid HDMI combines with that in web-cam signal
  • Avid audio sounded bad (tinny) in tests
  • see: http://storage.avermedia.com/web_release_www/GC510/GC510_Datasheet_20170218.pdf

Magewell HDMI to USB 3.0 Dongle $402.42 CAD[edit]

  • HDMI in, web-cam out [9]
  • because there is no loop-through, an HDMI splitter would be needed if you needed to send HDMI to your monitor


HDMI Share via Zoom Rooms $49 US/month + hardware[edit]

  • Zoom will detect HDMI source from these HDMI devices:
  • requires Zoom Rooms $49 US/month
    • "Zoom Rooms a software-based room system that runs on a Mac or Windows computer, and uses an iPad, Android or Windows tablet as the room controller" [10]

Direct video (to remote client monitor or webpage)[edit]

  • advantage: compatible with 23.98 video
  • disadvantage: higher priced encoders

Sohonet Clearview Flex $2000 US/month[edit]

Evercast $1000 US/month[edit]

Makito from Haivision (price not listed)[edit]

  • see: https://doc.haivision.com/MakitoXEnc2.3
  • encoding box at editor's end and decoding box at producer's end connected to monitor
  • one-to-one video transmission
  • SDI input and ethernet port on editor's end
  • HDMI output and ethernet port on producer's end
  • configured via IP web interface

EPS Cinestream Server (price unknown)[edit]

  • see: https://www.epscineworks.com/editorial
  • SDI video from Avid sent to capture card on 2010 Mac Pro running Windows 7 Pro and OBS Studio software (was Adobe Flash Media Live Encoder 3.2) streaming to EPS server that hosts to EPS password protected web page.

OBS.Ninja (free)[edit]

  • using "a third-party virtual audio cable" it would be possible to send video and audio from a Blackmagic capture card to OBS.Ninja and stream directly to the client via web browser [1]

Desktop Stream[edit]

Pac Post Live[edit]

  • https://pacpost.live/
  • uses OBS app and Millicast streaming servers to stream Avid desktop to client
    • usually Avid Fullscreen window is streamed

References[edit]

  1. ↑ https://zoom.us/pricing
  2. ↑ http://resources.avid.com/SupportFiles/attach/WhatsNew_MediaComposer_v18.7.pdf
  3. ↑ https://www.newtek.com/blog/tips/newtek-ndi-in-avid-media-composer/
  4. ↑ https://community.avid.com/forums/p/199493/894361.aspx#894361
  5. ↑ https://www.facebook.com/groups/mediacomposer/?post_id=10159383787994460&comment_id=10159383980714460&reply_comment_id=10159383990429460
  6. ↑ https://www.facebook.com/groups/mediacomposer/?post_id=10159383787994460&comment_id=10159383980714460&reply_comment_id=10159384042429460
  7. ↑ https://www.avid.com/products/avid-artist-io/features
  8. ↑ https://www.facebook.com/groups/mediacomposer/?post_id=10159383787994460&comment_id=10159383980714460&reply_comment_id=10159386515639460
  9. ↑ https://www.facebook.com/groups/mediacomposer/?post_id=10159383787994460&comment_id=10159383980714460
  10. ↑ https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/207483343-Getting-started-with-Zoom-Rooms
  11. ↑ https://www.facebook.com/groups/mediacomposer/?post_id=10159383787994460&comment_id=10159386147704460


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