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| − | "Unfortunately I can’t convey through text how unnecessarily hostile and condescending Holdo is in this scene, but there is seriously no reason for her to be this standoffish to the person who’s been described as the Resistance’s “most daring pilot” since the “Force Awakens.”" | + | "Unfortunately I can’t convey through text how unnecessarily hostile and condescending Holdo is in this scene, but there is seriously no reason for her to be this standoffish to the person who’s been described as the Resistance’s “most daring pilot” since the “Force Awakens.”" - [https://toughguydigest.com/2018/05/18/the-rewind-did-the-last-jedi-get-better-with-time-or-does-it-still-really-suck/ Tough Guy Digest] |
| − | == | + | == "smug, condescending attitude" == |
| − | "The thing that bothered me with that whole exchange was Holdo's smug, condescending attitude towards Poe." | + | "The thing that bothered me with that whole exchange was Holdo's smug, condescending attitude towards Poe." - [https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/8xmj8w/why_holdo_didnt_tell_poe_the_planmaybe/e24bi92/ Neverhoodian] |
| − | == | + | == "petulant idiot" == |
"Look, I don't have any problem with Holdo telling Poe to simmer down, or reminding him that he's not a part of the command conversation. But look at how the two characters speak. Poe is 100% focused on the group's survival, on fuel projections, on how he can help. Holdo is passive aggressive ("very kind to make me aware"), personally derogatory towards not only Poe but presumably to other "flyboys" under her command, and publicly mocks a subordinate for asking how they're going to survive. Poe's dialogue is pragmatic. Holdo's is emotive. We're told that he is the hotheaded, irrational one - but what we're actually shown is exactly the opposite. | "Look, I don't have any problem with Holdo telling Poe to simmer down, or reminding him that he's not a part of the command conversation. But look at how the two characters speak. Poe is 100% focused on the group's survival, on fuel projections, on how he can help. Holdo is passive aggressive ("very kind to make me aware"), personally derogatory towards not only Poe but presumably to other "flyboys" under her command, and publicly mocks a subordinate for asking how they're going to survive. Poe's dialogue is pragmatic. Holdo's is emotive. We're told that he is the hotheaded, irrational one - but what we're actually shown is exactly the opposite. | ||
| − | A lot of people like to defend this by saying "but you weren't supposed to like Holdo! She's in command, she didn't have to explain herself, and it makes it more powerful when she turns out to be right!" But the thing is, even if you watch this scene with full foresight that Holdo is eventually going to be "right," she still comes off as a petulant idiot who shoots herself in the foot by picking needless fights with her subordinates." | + | A lot of people like to defend this by saying "but you weren't supposed to like Holdo! She's in command, she didn't have to explain herself, and it makes it more powerful when she turns out to be right!" But the thing is, even if you watch this scene with full foresight that Holdo is eventually going to be "right," she still comes off as a petulant idiot who shoots herself in the foot by picking needless fights with her subordinates." - [https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/comments/9n5v31/one_of_my_biggest_beefs_with_tlj/e7l6t0k/ bugsdoingthings] |
| − | == | + | == "stereotypical shrew character" == |
| − | + | "They're antagonistic, disrespectful, unempathetic, and generally just contrary. Maybe Rian finds that charming and challenging, but that's not how I read it at all. It's the stereotypical shrew character that we really should have moved beyond in our heroines. But hey! They're Story Group approved, so what do I know?" - [https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/comments/9n5v31/one_of_my_biggest_beefs_with_tlj/e7k941g/ PenXSword] | |
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| + | == "useless, traitorous coward" == | ||
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| + | "I guess Poe was meant to learn a lesson from Holdo, but what lesson is that? Shut up and do what your told even if your leader objectively appears to be a useless, traitorous coward?" - [https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/7w857u/cmv_star_wars_the_last_jedi_was_ruined_by_poorly/ DoctorGonzoEsquire] | ||
Latest revision as of 19:28, 17 February 2020
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"unnecessarily hostile ... standoffish "[edit]
"...the pivotal moment, when Poe tries to introduce himself and find out what their strategy is:
Poe: Vice Admiral? Commander Dameron. We are low on fuel and there’s a limited amount of time that we can stay out of range of those Star Destroyers …
Holdo: Very kind of you to make me aware.
Poe: … before we can find a new base, so, what’s our plan?
Holdo: Our plan, captain? Not commander, right? Wasn’t it Leia’s last official act to demote you for your Dreadnought plan, where we lost our entire bombing fleet?
Poe: Captain, commander, you can call me whatever you like. I just want to know what’s going on.
Holdo: Of course you do. I understand, I’ve dealt with plenty of trigger-happy flyboys like you. You’re impulsive, dangerous, and the last thing we need right now. So stick to your post, and follow my orders.
"Unfortunately I can’t convey through text how unnecessarily hostile and condescending Holdo is in this scene, but there is seriously no reason for her to be this standoffish to the person who’s been described as the Resistance’s “most daring pilot” since the “Force Awakens.”" - Tough Guy Digest
"smug, condescending attitude"[edit]
"The thing that bothered me with that whole exchange was Holdo's smug, condescending attitude towards Poe." - Neverhoodian
"petulant idiot"[edit]
"Look, I don't have any problem with Holdo telling Poe to simmer down, or reminding him that he's not a part of the command conversation. But look at how the two characters speak. Poe is 100% focused on the group's survival, on fuel projections, on how he can help. Holdo is passive aggressive ("very kind to make me aware"), personally derogatory towards not only Poe but presumably to other "flyboys" under her command, and publicly mocks a subordinate for asking how they're going to survive. Poe's dialogue is pragmatic. Holdo's is emotive. We're told that he is the hotheaded, irrational one - but what we're actually shown is exactly the opposite.
A lot of people like to defend this by saying "but you weren't supposed to like Holdo! She's in command, she didn't have to explain herself, and it makes it more powerful when she turns out to be right!" But the thing is, even if you watch this scene with full foresight that Holdo is eventually going to be "right," she still comes off as a petulant idiot who shoots herself in the foot by picking needless fights with her subordinates." - bugsdoingthings
"stereotypical shrew character"[edit]
"They're antagonistic, disrespectful, unempathetic, and generally just contrary. Maybe Rian finds that charming and challenging, but that's not how I read it at all. It's the stereotypical shrew character that we really should have moved beyond in our heroines. But hey! They're Story Group approved, so what do I know?" - PenXSword
"useless, traitorous coward"[edit]
"I guess Poe was meant to learn a lesson from Holdo, but what lesson is that? Shut up and do what your told even if your leader objectively appears to be a useless, traitorous coward?" - DoctorGonzoEsquire
