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= Webcam video -- no hardware (via chat apps like Zoom) =
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* advantage: affordable
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* disadvantage: 30 fps chat apps not optimized for 23.98 fps video
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== Zoom settings ==
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* [https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/115003279466-Enabling-option-to-preserve-original-sound?mobile_site=true&fbclid=IwAR0q9ToL8fUMz9bbHGLR99z24rQf0Th1JlshfiPSVy9dqms3rZnEQyU41Fs#h_c4e87413-5aba-4046-83e0-0d0cc93b9f27 Enabling option to preserve original sound]
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* choose your source for both "Select a speaker" and "Select a microphone"
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* all Zoom plans are 720p <ref>https://zoom.us/pricing</ref>
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== stream direct from Avid Media Composer using NDI ==
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* see: https://avid.secure.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/How_To/stream-MC-video-NDI
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** and: http://causeandfx-tech.blogspot.com/2018/09/avid-media-composer-20187-ip-streaming.html
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* within Avid version 2018.7 and higher you can send video to stream (button on timeline)
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* need [https://ndi.tv/tools/#download-tools NDI software] (free)
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* can stream via Zoom or Skype and other NDI compatible chat
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* "Open IO NDI is not available if you have Nitris DX or Mojo DX video hardware. You have to disable that hardware in order to access Open IO NDI" <ref>http://resources.avid.com/SupportFiles/attach/WhatsNew_MediaComposer_v18.7.pdf</ref>
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** "and the system rebooted. Media Composer must then be run in software mode." <ref>https://www.newtek.com/blog/tips/newtek-ndi-in-avid-media-composer/</ref>
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** "With the Nitris DX being EOL, I doubt the drivers have been updated to recognize the Open NDI option. The DX has a specific driver, unlike all other modern Open I/O's." <ref>https://community.avid.com/forums/p/199493/894361.aspx#894361</ref>
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== screen share via Zoom (no hardware) ==
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* some report lag using this method <ref>https://www.facebook.com/groups/mediacomposer/?post_id=10159383787994460&comment_id=10159383980714460&reply_comment_id=10159383990429460</ref>
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* others not: "Screen Sharing a video source in Zoom creates a lag of about 500ms. I think that is quite reasonable." <ref>https://www.facebook.com/groups/mediacomposer/?post_id=10159383787994460&comment_id=10159383980714460&reply_comment_id=10159384042429460</ref>
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= Webcam video -- using existing Avid hardware =
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== Avid DNxIP [https://annexpro.com/product/avid-artist-dnxip $4499 CAD] ==
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* "send/stream content to any destination—anywhere" <ref>https://www.avid.com/products/avid-artist-io/features</ref>
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== Avid DNxID [https://shop.avid.com/ccrz__ProductDetails?viewState=DetailView&cartID=&sku=AR-EP-DNID-00&cclcl=en_CA $999 US] (used for Avid Media Composer) ==
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* "use the output from the DNxID and run it in the input from the DNxID, then you will see the picture in Zoom" <ref>https://www.facebook.com/groups/mediacomposer/?post_id=10159383787994460&comment_id=10159383980714460&reply_comment_id=10159386515639460</ref>
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* [http://resources.avid.com/SupportFiles/attach/Artist_DNx_ID_UG.pdf Avid Artist DNxID User's Guide]
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= Webcam video -- using additional non-Avid hardware =
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== BlackMagic Web Presenter [https://amzn.to/2BHnLdd $600 US] ==
 
== BlackMagic Web Presenter [https://amzn.to/2BHnLdd $600 US] ==
  
 
* see: https://sofimarshall.com/real-time-remote-editing/
 
* see: https://sofimarshall.com/real-time-remote-editing/
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* Blackmagic Web Presenter is fed video from the Avid via HDMI or SDI and sends back a web-cam compatible signal via USB that can be transmitted via Zoom
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* Blackmagic Web Presenter is fed video (and audio) from Avid via HDMI or SDI and sends back a web-cam compatible signal via USB that can be shared on Zoom chat
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* audio from chat microphone and audio from Avid are combined using $99 Loopback software (sounds similar to SoundFlower)
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* audio from chat microphone and audio from Avid are combined using $99 [https://rogueamoeba.com/loopback/ Loopback software] (sounds similar to SoundFlower)  
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== Blackmagic ATEM Mini [https://www.avshop.ca/video/switchers/blackmagic-design-atem-mini-hdmi-switcher-streamer $435 CAD] ==
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* see: https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/ca/products/atemmini
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* similar to Web Presenter in setup but is HDMI input only (no SDI)
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** "USB webcam output of ATEM Mini connects to any computer and looks just like a built in webcam"
  
 
== AVerMedia Live Gamer Portable 2 (GC510) [https://amzn.to/337n5Jt $209 US] ==
 
== AVerMedia Live Gamer Portable 2 (GC510) [https://amzn.to/337n5Jt $209 US] ==
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* device has microphone input; audio from Avid HDMI combines with that in web-cam signal
 
* device has microphone input; audio from Avid HDMI combines with that in web-cam signal
 
* Avid audio sounded bad (tinny) in tests
 
* Avid audio sounded bad (tinny) in tests
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* see: http://storage.avermedia.com/web_release_www/GC510/GC510_Datasheet_20170218.pdf
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== Magewell HDMI to USB 3.0 Dongle [https://amzn.to/2P79fOP $402.42 CAD] ==
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* HDMI in, web-cam out <ref>https://www.facebook.com/groups/mediacomposer/?post_id=10159383787994460&comment_id=10159383980714460</ref>
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* because there is no loop-through, an HDMI splitter would be needed if you needed to send HDMI to your monitor
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== [https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201504265-Wired-HDMI-Screen-Share-via-Capture-Device HDMI Share via Zoom Rooms] $49 US/month + hardware ==
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* Zoom will detect HDMI source from these HDMI devices:
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** Magewell USB-HDMI [https://amzn.to/2P79fOP $402.42 CAD]
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** Inogeni 4k2USB3 (max res 1080p) [https://amzn.to/39No96p $650.69 CAD]
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** Logitech Screen Share [https://amzn.to/33fVRQM $396.99]
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* requires Zoom Rooms $49 US/month
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** "Zoom Rooms a software-based room system that runs on a Mac or Windows computer, and uses an iPad, Android or Windows tablet as the room controller" <ref>https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/207483343-Getting-started-with-Zoom-Rooms</ref>
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= Direct video (to remote client monitor or webpage) =
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* advantage: compatible with 23.98 video
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* disadvantage: higher priced encoders
  
 
== Sohonet Clearview Flex $2000 US/month ==
 
== Sohonet Clearview Flex $2000 US/month ==
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* see: https://www.evercast.us/
 
* see: https://www.evercast.us/
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* "kept dropping out at anything below 5mbps upload speed" <ref>https://www.facebook.com/groups/mediacomposer/?post_id=10159383787994460&comment_id=10159386147704460</ref>
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== Makito from Haivision (price not listed) ==
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* see: https://doc.haivision.com/MakitoXEnc2.3
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* encoding box at editor's end and decoding box at producer's end connected to monitor
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* one-to-one video transmission
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* SDI input and ethernet port on editor's end
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* HDMI output and ethernet port on producer's end
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* configured via IP web interface
  
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== EPS Streaming Server (price unknown) ==
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== EPS Cinestream Server (price unknown) ==
  
 
* see: https://www.epscineworks.com/editorial
 
* see: https://www.epscineworks.com/editorial
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* SDI video from Avid sent to capture card on 2010 Mac Pro running Windows 7 Pro and Adobe Flash Media Live Encoder 3.2 streaming to EPS server that host to EPS password protected web page.
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* SDI video from Avid sent to capture card on 2010 Mac Pro running Windows 7 Pro and OBS Studio software (was Adobe Flash Media Live Encoder 3.2) streaming to EPS server that hosts to EPS password protected web page.
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== OBS.Ninja (free) ==
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* using "a third-party virtual audio cable" it would be possible to send video and audio from a Blackmagic capture card to OBS.Ninja and stream directly to the client via web browser [https://www.reddit.com/r/OBSNinja/comments/qd0lmw/no_audio_source_from_blackmagic_capture_appearing/hhk0ll5/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3]
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= Desktop Stream =
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== Pac Post Live ==
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* https://pacpost.live/
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* uses OBS app and Millicast streaming servers to stream Avid desktop to client
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** usually Avid Fullscreen window is streamed
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= References =
  
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== Magewell HDMI to USB 3.0 Dongle [https://amzn.to/2P79fOP $402.42 CAD]
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* HDMI in, web-cam out
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[[Category:Avid Media Composer]]

Latest revision as of 15:50, 27 October 2021

Webcam video -- no hardware (via chat apps like Zoom)[edit]

  • advantage: affordable
  • disadvantage: 30 fps chat apps not optimized for 23.98 fps video

Zoom settings[edit]

stream direct from Avid Media Composer using NDI[edit]

screen share via Zoom (no hardware)[edit]

  • some report lag using this method [5]
  • others not: "Screen Sharing a video source in Zoom creates a lag of about 500ms. I think that is quite reasonable." [6]

Webcam video -- using existing Avid hardware[edit]

Avid DNxIP $4499 CAD[edit]

  • "send/stream content to any destination—anywhere" [7]

Avid DNxID $999 US (used for Avid Media Composer)[edit]

Webcam video -- using additional non-Avid hardware[edit]

BlackMagic Web Presenter $600 US[edit]

Blackmagic ATEM Mini $435 CAD[edit]

AVerMedia Live Gamer Portable 2 (GC510) $209 US[edit]

  • AVerMedia Live Gamer Portable 2 is fed video (720p/23.976 works, 1080p/23.976 does not) via HDMI from Avid sends back a web-cam compatible signal via USB that can be transmitted via Zoom or FaceTime or Skype
  • HDMI loops through the device back to client monitor
  • device has microphone input; audio from Avid HDMI combines with that in web-cam signal
  • Avid audio sounded bad (tinny) in tests
  • see: http://storage.avermedia.com/web_release_www/GC510/GC510_Datasheet_20170218.pdf

Magewell HDMI to USB 3.0 Dongle $402.42 CAD[edit]

  • HDMI in, web-cam out [9]
  • because there is no loop-through, an HDMI splitter would be needed if you needed to send HDMI to your monitor


HDMI Share via Zoom Rooms $49 US/month + hardware[edit]

  • Zoom will detect HDMI source from these HDMI devices:
  • requires Zoom Rooms $49 US/month
    • "Zoom Rooms a software-based room system that runs on a Mac or Windows computer, and uses an iPad, Android or Windows tablet as the room controller" [10]

Direct video (to remote client monitor or webpage)[edit]

  • advantage: compatible with 23.98 video
  • disadvantage: higher priced encoders

Sohonet Clearview Flex $2000 US/month[edit]

Evercast $1000 US/month[edit]

Makito from Haivision (price not listed)[edit]

  • see: https://doc.haivision.com/MakitoXEnc2.3
  • encoding box at editor's end and decoding box at producer's end connected to monitor
  • one-to-one video transmission
  • SDI input and ethernet port on editor's end
  • HDMI output and ethernet port on producer's end
  • configured via IP web interface

EPS Cinestream Server (price unknown)[edit]

  • see: https://www.epscineworks.com/editorial
  • SDI video from Avid sent to capture card on 2010 Mac Pro running Windows 7 Pro and OBS Studio software (was Adobe Flash Media Live Encoder 3.2) streaming to EPS server that hosts to EPS password protected web page.

OBS.Ninja (free)[edit]

  • using "a third-party virtual audio cable" it would be possible to send video and audio from a Blackmagic capture card to OBS.Ninja and stream directly to the client via web browser [1]

Desktop Stream[edit]

Pac Post Live[edit]

  • https://pacpost.live/
  • uses OBS app and Millicast streaming servers to stream Avid desktop to client
    • usually Avid Fullscreen window is streamed

References[edit]

  1. ↑ https://zoom.us/pricing
  2. ↑ http://resources.avid.com/SupportFiles/attach/WhatsNew_MediaComposer_v18.7.pdf
  3. ↑ https://www.newtek.com/blog/tips/newtek-ndi-in-avid-media-composer/
  4. ↑ https://community.avid.com/forums/p/199493/894361.aspx#894361
  5. ↑ https://www.facebook.com/groups/mediacomposer/?post_id=10159383787994460&comment_id=10159383980714460&reply_comment_id=10159383990429460
  6. ↑ https://www.facebook.com/groups/mediacomposer/?post_id=10159383787994460&comment_id=10159383980714460&reply_comment_id=10159384042429460
  7. ↑ https://www.avid.com/products/avid-artist-io/features
  8. ↑ https://www.facebook.com/groups/mediacomposer/?post_id=10159383787994460&comment_id=10159383980714460&reply_comment_id=10159386515639460
  9. ↑ https://www.facebook.com/groups/mediacomposer/?post_id=10159383787994460&comment_id=10159383980714460
  10. ↑ https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/207483343-Getting-started-with-Zoom-Rooms
  11. ↑ https://www.facebook.com/groups/mediacomposer/?post_id=10159383787994460&comment_id=10159386147704460


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